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Post by ThunderHead Pits on Apr 28, 2008 21:46:29 GMT -5
First off let me say that the Gotty / Gotti line blood does indeed have some good looking dogs. Most appear to be barrel chested and over weight, but there are some good looking ones out there!
There are going to be a lot of haters come and start bashing me and this post, but the real breeders who REALLY know what they're doing will know what I'm talking about and see my logic as COLD HARD, INDISPUTABLE FACT!
Now to set the record straight....
There simply is NO such thing as a 100% pure blood Gotty line Pit Bull.
The origination of the bloodline its self was never done correctly so as to produce a TRUE pure genetic blood strain of the breed. The dog that "Started" it all was the famous "Notorious Juan Gotty", a great looking specimen indeed!
However Notorious Juan Gotty himself was indeed nothing more than 100% Pure blood GREYLINE!!!! This being an indisputable fact, you must also consider that at the time Juan Gotty was first bred to any other female pit bull, there was not, and could have not been any other Gotty Line dog in existence anywhere on planet earth!!!
Therefore unless the first female that Juan Gotty was bred to was also a 100% GreyLine bloodline female. than the entire first litter Juan Gotty ever produced was nothing more than an out crossing of two or more bloodlines in whole!
And even if that female was a 100% GreyLine female, then the most that first litter could have ever been was a an entire litter of 100% GreyLine puppies! Possibly even an entire litter of "scatter bred" puppies???
From the moment Richard Barajas had the idea of a new bloodline enter his mind, the concept of having a TRUE new bloodline emerge from the Greyline thourgh his method of forming the new bloodline was completely and entirely IMPOSSIBLE!
One can not just take a bloodline of a dog and slap a new name on it and expect it to be validated! If that were the case, I or anyone else for that matter could take a DIRECT Juan Gotty son or daughter and breed it with another "alleged" 100% Gotty descendant and from out of nowhere start calling it the "Joe Banana Bloodline".
That is just simply NOT genetically possible.
You want a TRUE example of how a new bloodline must be formed? Take a look at the Razor's Edge bloodline as an example! Or even the GenghisKon bloodline!
To produce a new bloodline, one MUST conduct a series of selective breedings and cross the produced strains of produced dogs over a period of many years, or at least over a period of many breedings!!!!
Therefore Richard Barajas simply had nothing more than a well advanced GreyLine Pit Bull and was in NO WAY a knowledgeable breeder!
In addition and as a summary, there simply is NO SUCH THING as a 100% Gotty Line pit bull!
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Post by Buddah on May 6, 2008 6:31:06 GMT -5
who cares!
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Post by hprob82 on May 6, 2008 15:40:29 GMT -5
he's right....there's no such thing as a 100% gotty line pit bull.......
cuz it's GOTTILINE....lol....what an ignorant post!
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Post by hprob82 on May 6, 2008 15:43:17 GMT -5
Everyones' a fuc-king genius on these message boards what is the tag and has always been the tag if you breed dogs some $hit like four generations of breeding and thats your line if you want it to be all lines have been taken from others even in human life if you marry your daugter off her last name is no longer your last name its her husbands hence making her a new bloodline right!! Wrong she is still your kid just with a different name!! People on these other boards are pissed that gottiline produces freaks these breeders have taken Rich's vision and put that $hit in the sky razors edge dogs are light years behind!!! Fu ck a JMO thats my word!!!
MOST BLOODLINES ON THE WESTCOAST..... IN SOME WAYS OR OTHERS.... STARTED FROM GREYLINE.... BUT ALL BRED DIFFERENTLY AND HAS THEIR OWN UNIQUE LOOK. GET A CLUE!
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Post by pb on May 8, 2008 15:44:57 GMT -5
i see your point thunder head id say re is more advance and they got a better plan in hand they still look right not all but a selct few do and thats that the 7 x gotti and all tohse other crazy ass in breed nuts look like wht they were origanly mastiffs ban dogs lol i have a goti son who looks atlethic and fit to run for ever un like some of thes eothers nothing wrong them to each is your own it is wht it is and its not 4 generation its more then that
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Post by Sheyton08 on May 9, 2008 19:20:42 GMT -5
Hahaha, you guys should go check out this thunderheadpiss website, he's talking all this smack about gotty line (which it's spelled G-O-T-T-I-L-I-N-E, all one word and with and "I" you moron) and all of his dogs are either gottiline or gottiline out crosses! His website contradicts everything he says on here, has a female he says is Gotty and Edge, but her pedigree says that she is Certified's which is old Ruffian blood, some Chaos, which comes from Watchdog blood, Nevada, and a bunch of scatterbred game stuff. Just bred her to an edge male which I'm glad he finally made up his mind who he was breeding her to since he's posted up something like 5 different planned breedings with her now, I'm bettin' that people found out he has no clue what he's doing or talking about and wouldn't breed their male to him, I know I wouldn't want my dog's name on any of his pups papers! The funnies thing is that he talks all this $hit about this Derrick guy at mid west gottiline, now I don't know him personally, but I know what kind of dogs he has and what a reputable breeder he is in the bully community and I know he's connected with some of the TOP big name kennels and breeders, so I think it's funny how you accuse him of hanging papers and other ridiculous BS. Bottom line thunderhead is that before you go starting rumors you should have all the facts and not drag dogs or people thru the dirt when you obviously know jack about bullies.
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Post by pb on May 10, 2008 15:32:47 GMT -5
wht the site
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Post by Sheyton08 on May 10, 2008 15:59:48 GMT -5
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Post by mutt line on May 15, 2008 4:42:13 GMT -5
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Post by ThunderHead Pits on May 15, 2008 19:31:42 GMT -5
Alright, you guys can poke fun and criticize my spelling all you want...
But not one of you had an intelligent argument over the fact that there is still NO such thing as a 100% Gottiline dog.
Even the UKC requires 7 years of specific selective breedings to recognize a new bloodline!!!!
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Post by Sheyton08 on May 15, 2008 20:13:07 GMT -5
Well since you put it that way, there's no such thing as 100% any type of bloodline dog. The UKC doesn't recognize any bloodlines, just registration numbers and a few other accepted registries. In order to have 100% any blood dog that would take 7 or more generations of Direct Inbreeding, Father X Daughter, Brother X Sister, Mother X Son, and only those combinations there, because if you incorporate 1/2 bro's or sisters you'd be adding an extra blood that's not what you already have and knocking it away from 100%. With that being said, there's no such thing as 100% greyline or 100% edge, it's just a look/style of dog that has been achieved by mixing and matching different bloods and traits over the years. I suppose you're going to try and say that Cairo was 100% Edge since his papers said so, Razor's Edge Purple Rose of Cairo? I think not, his dad was a dual registered american staffordshire terrier that was shown in the akc show ring, watuka spirit. My basic point is that you are a hypocrite, saying gottiline is not a bloodline, and yet you brag on your site that your dogs are 100% gottiline or gottiline crossed. The argument is not whether or not bullies are purebred apbt's because any fool knows they are not, your precious Dave Wilson bred pits to amstaffs and to bulldogs as well as did Rich Barajas, and it still goes on today. If you love the breed like you say you do, why not shut your fat mouth and breed the style of dog you want and stop talking crap about everyone else's. Oh and btw, trying to find very *friendly* persons to hold your dogs infront of jalopies won't sell your dogs, high quality dogs sell your dogs, get a life.
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Post by ThunderHead Pits on May 17, 2008 23:26:37 GMT -5
First off, i don't brag... I don't need to.
Bragging is for lil punks who are trying to get someone to like them because they realize no one does.
I simply state information on my website.... That's not bragging.
But As I did say earlier in the beginning of the post, only breeders that understood genetics, and also understood that you can't just take a bloodline and change it's name... would even understand what I am talking about!
Hell, by what you're saying, i could take a 100% Razor's Edge and start calling it the "Joe Banana" bloodline. Sure i can call it the "Pick Your Friends Nose" bloodline if I want to, but that doesn't change the fact that it still a 100% Razor's Edge dog!
Why? Simply because I did nothing to change that strand of the breed. I just renamed it!
Impossible! Which is why it's still a simple fact that Juan Gotty/Gotti was nothing more than 100% Greyline!
This is Also why you will see many breeders websites that have a Gotti line dog make NOTATION (Note Brag) that there dogs are Gotti/Greyline.
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Post by Sheyton08 on May 18, 2008 3:26:13 GMT -5
So basically what you are saying is that you have absolutely no idea how bloodlines are established? What's the difference between, RE using Kinmar's Catt Man Roo that fathered Knuckle's the first "EDGE" dog, which was 0% Razor's Edge, but still looked at the dog which the RE line came from? He and his offspring were used and by mixing in other desired traits and bulldogs, Dave, created what we know today as Razor's Edge dogs, but people have taken what he started and ran with it. Yes maybe Rich Barajas didn't mix and match crap here and there like Dave did, but those after him have achieved a pretty uniform look and a highly sought after style of dog. Cairo wasn't edge, he was a result of mixing traits to achieve a higher goal. So what Edge has 6 years more mixing bulldogs and pits/am staffs, either way all of these breeders are doing the same things to achieve a very similar looking dog. I dare you to tell the Cali Kingpin, Mr. Juan Lomeli that Goliath wasn't gottiline, and double dare you to tell Rich he didn't create Gottiline, he owned the dog that started it all...Gotty, which was a Greyline dog, but 11 years later and lots of mixing and matching, G@yline could only hope to be as popular as the one true king of bloodlines, GOTTILINE! The bottom line is that bullies are NOT, I repeat ARE NOT, real American Pit Bull Terriers, they are nothing more than a mixing of traits and breeds to produce a MUTT very similar to the facial construction of an apbt. You need to get off your high horse because from the looks of your website you'll never make it as a "big time" breeder like you wanna be, cuz that's all you are is a WANNABE big homie, never gonna amount to $hit when you're sitting there being the biggest hypocrite on this site, you don't even own a 100% Edge dog. Saying Gottiline isn't real....bro you need a reality check and I hope someone smashes your face in real good when you get it, you thingyy ba$tard. Joe Banana Bloodline....you're a joke!
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Post by ThunderHead Pits on May 18, 2008 11:39:28 GMT -5
You dare & double dare me to tell them that? How old are you? Isn't 3:30 am. past your bed time?  ? Double dare? Wow. that's something i didn't expect. I didn't know I was getting into a debate with an 8 year old! Do you have your moms permission to be online this late at night? Ok... I just posted those comments on a website message board! In a sense, did I not then just tell the whole world what my opinion was about the Gotti line? enough said! |
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Post by Calhoun on May 18, 2008 15:23:10 GMT -5
ThunderHead Pits - internet fighter! You are always getting into "know it all" fights with people. HaHa!!
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