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Post by Gerald GW on Aug 6, 2007 21:25:08 GMT -5
d**n Luger you are telling 100% truth in your post. That's a must read for every one in the dog game. These dogs are not no hustle so stop useing them as one. I agree Luger, keep most of the litter and might let 1 or 2 go but they only go to partners. If you use dogs as a hustle then it will fall down like any other hustle you may have. Derrick sold all those pups and still don't have no money ROFL now that nuts is pretty sad because the question is what did you do with all that d**n money? Or at the end did your ass trade more pups for fish tanks than you sold for money? Every last one of you people on this board should look at all the bullnuts Derrick Lambert did with these dogs and all his shady ways and how he used these dogs for all the wrong reasons. He only bred for money and oh yeah...fish tanks, He never showed his dogs are did weight pulls with them. The only thing he did was say tonka can beat this and that and try to call people out to fight dogs but run when they have the real deal. Other than that Derrick Lambert has done nothing but f**k people over on pups and thats all he has done, He get no respect as a dog man and matter of fat he is'nt no where near ranked a f**king dog man but he is the #1 paper hanger and puppy peddler of all times
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Post by ThunderHead Pits on Aug 20, 2007 9:02:50 GMT -5
Let me set some things straight...
I know Derrick first hand, I don't think he has ever even been fortunate enough to pet a $2,500 dog, let alone buy one!
I know for a fact Derrick had an entire litter off of his dog Tonka and he sold them all for about $200.000 each!
We had some pups from Tonka and another female that were worth at least $500 each and since he was part owner of the litter, he made us sell them all for $300 each just to get rid of them.
In a particular conversation he even said his goal was to sell dogs cheaper than anyone else just to sell more dogs.
But as for anyone's opinion of keeping pups from a litter rather than selling them off... Let's face it, we all love animals, or we wouldn't be breeders of them.
Yet the reason we breed is to make money, not to start a K-9 museum. Any breeders who says he/she isn't in it for the money is a liar! If they weren't, they'd be giving the dogs away!
However, there are breeders whom are in it ONLY for the money, like Derrick.
In my opinion, it would be a bad idea to keep all the pups but 1 or 2 off of each litter and sell the rest because you WILL without fail end up with dogs inbreeding all them time.
Not to mention most city's have a law or ordinance wich prevent you owning over a certain number of dogs without obtaining a kennel license. Breaking this law WILL result in you having all of your dogs confiscated.
Therefore a responsible breeder would always maintain a legal number of dogs and ensure that inbreeding would be prevented at all costs.
Besides, introducing new blood on a regular basis can prevent deformities and hereditary diseases.
But, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and this opinions is mine.
Thank you.
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Post by ThunderHead Pits on Aug 20, 2007 9:07:31 GMT -5
And oh yes...
I too suspect Derrick of paper hanging, but I have found no substantial proof of such.
If I were to find proof, believe me, I would contact the UKC & ADBA TODAY!
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Post by shilohKennels54 on Aug 20, 2007 16:17:16 GMT -5
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Post by zimin0902 on Sept 20, 2007 22:02:14 GMT -5
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Post by Chavezpits on Sept 23, 2007 14:10:27 GMT -5
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Post by dean33 on Oct 9, 2007 20:40:31 GMT -5
Whats good world i am a new cat too this breeding stuff and kennels and everything, but growing up we kept a pitbulls i never went a month with out a pitbull in my house.When i was 4 i remember my dog rhino,he died when he was about 8 when we got donna and she died of old age so now i want to start a kennel if anyone has any pointers far as which way to go please let me know i will greatly appreciate it.
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Post by edgar on Oct 19, 2007 1:53:29 GMT -5
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Post by Derrick on Oct 30, 2007 22:31:25 GMT -5
OK, First off, I don't know any "Luger" I've never sold a dog for $2,500.00. Ellie was perfectly healthy when Kevin was given her at no charge. It's not my fault he and his wife didn't know that females needed to be wormed after having a litter of pups...soon after, not 7 weeks after like they let her go. Kevin, why not tell these people how Ellie was mutilated by your precious Sassy and Blue Cheese? That's right, they ganged up on the poor girl, ripped off one of her ears, tore her throat out and basically chewed off a leg. If that's a lie then Angie is lying to me. They had the cops there and everything, 4 adult age dogs in a 1200 sq. foot home with a backyard about 10 ft X 20 ft. I can't control what papers I received from the person who sold it to me. I'm willing to throw down and get DNA done on my current dogs if people wanna run their mouths. Poor Kevin, still peddling that same ole lame ass cry baby story online huh? I'm soo mean to my dogs, i keep them on chains and in tiny wooden boxes......yeah, Tonka is put on a chain while and ONLY WHILE outside, he'll jump the fence and run off otherwise. I thought it was the good thing to do to be a responsible owner?
The wooden box ole whiny ass refers to is a custom built 3 stall crate, where the dogs are kept at night and when I'm at work or if we have visitors. He's had only been to my house like 3 times so what right does he have to judge me, he don't know me! Not one of you guys have a pregnant dog that can stand to Jewels, and yeah Ellie attacked and wounded her, she is my prize female and my best producer as well as my favorite house dog, I'm not having aggressive dogs on my yard. Ellie has started stuff with Tonka before, but always backed down from him when he got all huffy with her. I didn't know she was that animal aggressive. Kevin knew this and agreed to take her anyway till she had her current litter she was pregnant with then was going to sell her. I basically had her sold and when time came Kevin's wife said she wanted $1,000.00 for her, and I told the buyer that they were being unreasonable on the price and that I was sorry. I had priced her at $200.00. Ellie was Razor's Edge and Watchdog. I don't know CJ Hockenbury nor do I care to meet the man. I've been told that he steals everything he sells, and I know he's been banned by the adba 3 times.
Oh, wait, "Luger" I think you have me confuse with Levi, he's the one that's done all the business with CJ, I talk to Levi every now and then, but other than that I don't have anything dog wise to do with him.
Kevin you really need to stop telling these lie man, Jehovah or whoever you pray to wouldn't be too happy. I told you to take that runt female to the vet and have her eye looked at because Angie said it was swollen and about to "pop" out of her head, I said and i quote "Take her to the vet, but they may want to put her to sleep!" I never just said put her to sleep, you're an idiot. Yeah, and Jeff Klotz has hung papers off of Jewels, because Levi is too unorganized to keep his nuts together. He has 3-4 litters at once and throws all the paperwork in a big pile and then digs through it, he gave me wrong papers on a pup when I first met him, and I called him on it, and he fixed it with me. I've offered more times than I can count to do the DNA on Klotz's male and Jewels, and if it comes back that he is off Jewels, i'll apologize, but I know he's not, i owned a male off of Star, Levi's other female and Kane that looked exactly to the "T" like that male on Klotz's site, so I know the papers are all jacked up, besides Jewels is a better producer than that and I don't want some bullnuts looking dogs posted up as being off of Jewels.
Kevin I laugh everytime I think of your dumb azz, all buddy buddy with me on how you just "loved" Tonka and couldn't wait to breed him to nutsty, i mean sassy. You all but jumped up and down in my kitchen that day. Then I think you nuts your pants over Jewels, always telling me how you wanted a pup off her, and asking if i'll hook you up with a pup everytime I talked to you. I educated you on dogs, and trust me you still don't know crap about pitbulls other than what you read in that little book. I even helped you to located a good dog, not a great dog and got you a deal of a life time on that peice of crap. $500.00 for a blue male, and now you're trying to charge $1,800.00 and $1,500.00 for pups off of him, and you're selling them based on color alone....what a joke, i've got an 8 week old runt that would put to shame anything you'll ever breed or own.
You wanna go and try to call me out on Ellie's health, I owned Ellie for all of 6 months, 6 MONTHS YOU IDIOT, I was told she was up to date on all her shots and stuff. Again, if you had wormed her after birthing those pups, she wouldn't have had those problems, funny to me worms were never brought up to just now??? Making stuff up again are we? And you've vet is a joke, I go to him because it's cheap wormer and puppy shots, I wouldn't trust him with a dead goldfish, let alone my bullies. I took a female to him once for an allergy to grass, he pumped her full of steroids and gave me prednisone to give her everyday.....prednisone is known to cause liver and kidney damage in dogs with prolonged use...and let's face it, allergic to grass means a prolonged use!
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Post by Derrick on Oct 30, 2007 22:51:07 GMT -5
And you're right Kevin Capone isn't my dog, and I've never discussed Capone with anyone, ever. I've always directed ?'s about Capone to the proper owner. So Gerald, you're a bald face liar, yeah I called you a liar. I told Kevin that Ellie was bred to Tonka on her first heat, that's not a crime, I didn't do the breeding, she and Tonka were dumped off on Levi's doorstep, he didn't want her so I took her because I had propper accomidations for whelping the pups. She had 11 and only 2 lived and they were phenomenal looking, therefore I had always told anyone who asked about her that she was planned on going back to Tonka if she were healthy enough on her next heat, therefore once again you are lying Gerald, I never told anyone I gave her or was planning on giving her to Kevin, from the time that kevin and I decided on him taking her to when he got her was 1 weekend, that's all 2 days, now how is that time to conjure up a story like that! LIAR, and you don't have balls to call me either (765) 430-7935 and you too Luger, because I don't know you either. And I think I know whether or not I was posting up racial slurs on here, and I WASN'T doing such a thing, I posted that somewhere else a long time ago that it wasn't me, I know who was doing it, it is that person at that address, he goes by Big Body Bully Kennels, he's just talking smack when he don't know me, like everyone on here. SO all in all, Ellie was bred twice before Kevin's dog killed her, and I'm the bad breeder? Like I said before we'll do DNA on my dogs, but I've only got one litter off my current stock, and no one owns anything off my yard currently so what good would that do. I guess the old saying goes, "When you're doing great things you develop haters!" Kevin, apparently you're not too concerned with how I treat my dogs, you still send people to me to buy dogs when you don't have a litter, feeling bad over this drama you've started? I would too if I were you, you best just keep my name and anything to do with me out your mouth. That goes for you too Luger and Gerald, I don't know you, and I don't care to know you and have never done business with you, if you want to lie and start drama do it else where.
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Post by thunderheadpits on Oct 31, 2007 15:31:40 GMT -5
Hey DERRICK... AKA. Kombat Kennels... AKA Mid-West Gotty Lines
How about this you over loading loud mouth! Let's stop hiding behind message boards and call this out face to face you punk coward!
You're always hiding behind these message boards like you have split personalities or something!
We've got VET PROOF Ellie had no prior worming or REGULAR check ups when you owned her... WE USE THE SAME VET AS YOU! HE DON'T LIKE YOU EITHER!!! She had worm BEFORE she gave birth you flippin' idiot!
This is the 2nd time I have called you out on this MB. If I am lying about Ellie's medical records PROVE You loud mouth! Show me her records! Show everyone your records!
I have done some investigating on Ellie you paper hanging scum! I saw her papers you gave me for her! Her papers registered at her being like a year and a half old! HA!!!! That dog was every bit of three to four years old... Just ask the Tippecanoe county animal medical examiner! I have half the mind to forward their findings to the UKC and the ADBA and put you out of breeding FOR EVER!!!!
Yeah, you gave Ellie to us at no charge, because we took her to keep you from putting down a pregnant dog! You was going to kill her even while pregnant because she almost killed one of your dogs! Thats right, I said it! Truths out now PUNK!
You even warned us that Ellie was aggressive and that's why you wanted to put her down. As for the ear chewing part, you got that confused with the mishap on your yard! What happen to your brindle because of Ellie? Yeah, I know what happen! Do you want me to spill that too?
The city hasn't and is not going to register our dogs as aggressive because they know they're not! Our dogs never showed a sign of aggression before Ellie started chewing on them and Blue Cheese was even a pup! A dog has to be EXTREMELY aggressive to fight with a pup! You made Ellie aggressive.
I remember one time when you were at my house and I heard you beating on their kennels tormenting them making them bark you you! You're a sicko!!!
Stop talking... BRING IT. I'm calling you out. Produce this DNA Your claiming!
Remember I have been to your house. Tonka wasn't on no chain outside! The ground was so covered in mud and dog crap you weren't even willing to go outside to fasten the chain!
Ain't nothing I am saying is a lie. I will call you out again. PRODUCE THE PROOF BAD BOY! ... OR SHUT YOUR MOUTH!
As for wanting to breed to Tonka, I thought we have already been through this? I ended up forfeiting my stud fee I paid to you because I realized I could better myself by waiting to breed Sassy even at the expense of missing her third heat! I feel bad for Tonka, you're a slum breeder!
There you go wanting credit again... I know we covered this one! I had pitbulls as a kid while you were still zit face teenager! All you taught me was bloodlines and which dog belonged to who!
But if it will make you feel better I'll say it for you.... "Derrick Da Man!"... There I said it! Feel better you paper hanging punk?
The only Bullie in your yard is YOU!
As for the Yard fight.... Once again. Ellie was agressive when we got her. My dog's got tired of defending themselves in their own flippin yard! Your bad Ellie got Killed by a freakin 6 month old puppy!
Whose dogs bad now?
The ONLY great thing you could do is SHUT UP!!!!!!!!!! PLEASE!!!!!!!
S H U T U P ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! I will pay you to shut up you freakin psychopath, split personality loser!
Meanwhile... I'm going to the ADBA & UKC with the Vet medical examiners finding on Ellie's age, say good bye to your registered breeding days!
SEE YA!
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Post by Kevin Yoakum is a f*g on Oct 31, 2007 20:49:15 GMT -5
Oh yeah, like you're calling me out??? Who's the one hiding, if you know where I live come ring the door bell mutha f u cker. You have no proof, I just gotta give the breeder of ellie a call to prove that she's just a little over what 2 by now...oh wait, your dogs killed her, so she prolly didn't even see 2. Her mom's only 3, you're a friggin stupid piece of SH IT, you're not gonna do nuttin' but run your mouth like always because you know I'd cave your face in if you ever set foot on my property. Just so you know, I talked with doctor arihood today because I took a litter to get shots and wormed, oh hey, yeah, I wormed them at 3, 6 and 8 weeks old, unlike you who waited till they were 7 weeks and never wormed their mom, you don't have proof of nothing when you're lying. He said that you never brought ellie to see him until after the pups were born, and it was because of the pups she had worms, so go f u ck yourself. You're right i'm not a nice person when the people around me are friggin idiots, and yeah, i'm not Mid West Gottiline, www.freewebs.com/midwestgottiline, a name that stands out in the crowd, you loser. But if you knew everything you thought you knew about pitbulls then you'd realize that wouldn't you? So once again here I am, listening to you whine and cry because you were too stupid to worm a female after a litter, and want to blame it on someone else, that's cool because that's the kind of person you are. You're a fake!
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Post by Derrick on Nov 3, 2007 11:38:53 GMT -5
Just wanted to let everyone on this post know that Thunderheadpits and myself have worked out our differences and will no longer be posting such ludacris remarks about one another on here, sorry to have gunked up a good board with this beef. As for everyone else who's made snide remarks about me and my dogs, if you know who I am, then you know my phone number(765-430-7935), give me a call, but I guarantee that you've got me confused with someone else. I have only ever sold ONE litter that didn't receive their shots, and everyone who purchased a pup from this litter was informed of this either before they came and bought their pup, or before they left my home. All pups are registered to whatever paperwork was given to me with their parents. Like I said, I can't make the guy before me honest, but I can be honest in how I register my litters. I no longer use the ADBA, and hopefully soon I can just use the ABKC, as I acknowledge that American Bullies are not purebred pits, rather bulldog/am. staff crosses, but it is my choice in breeding these particular animals. Anyone who thinks that Gottiline or Razor's Edge or any gamedog would be a fool to think that all the way back to the beginning of the breed that papers are all correct. True dogmen hung papers to hide their formula for creating a champion from others. With that said, I say best of luck to everyone!
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Post by vsp24 on Nov 5, 2007 12:29:59 GMT -5
New breeder! Lions Den Kennels, I have been raising Pit Bulls since I was 12 years old and I never had papper work on none of my dogs before. The bloodlines I am used too, is Colby, Eli, Old family red, and etc. I am have been bullnutstin for a decade, so two years ago I bought A U.K.C. reg. PR' CH bloodline Blue Fawn. And I say f**k it I am going to stop Bullnutstin and do the dam thing! So I started my kennel now and I have some big things come up real soon and I am not going to stop. I have 3 males for sale each $500 Edge, Gotti, and gaff, You can go to LionsDenKennels.com and go on the puppy page & see them. Also you can look on the breeding page and see the sire, dam & there pedigree's.
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Post by micromonsters on Nov 12, 2007 15:16:05 GMT -5
man why is everybody arguing? not everyone is gonna like the same thing that's why everybody's different. if you wanna breed game dog's, bully's or what ever do it who cares what anyone thinks?me i love the bully world if they're not original who cares i'm happy with it, you can't make someone dislike something just because you do.
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