American Bullys as a new breed?

[orourkebloodlines]

Tell me what you folks think; should American Bullys be named a new breed or considered American Pit Bull Terriors? What are your reasons. Bullet I already know what you are going to say so do not bother.

[bull man]

well for me i would have to say no. whats wrong with going with a new name ? they r good dogs right ? the dogs will speak for them self. i feel if you want to still call them apbt. you have to do a DNA test lets say 70 % shows up then your good its a apbt if not then go with the new name. or you go with a name that has apbt with in its new name. i will say it over and over if your looking to buy the name then do so. i could care less i look for good working dogs bottom line. you can call them apbt abb ab or just good old mutt a good dogs is a god dog with out any name.

[bullet]

well i am and since my last comment towards you i think your ass got handed to you ha lol , well they should be called a new breed cause thats wht they are , they are breed down from apbts and other dogs mastiffs bull dogs etc.. so say wht they are and not wht they aint , any one who knows dogs and knows the breed standard of the apbt knows these dogs aint right easy as that and maybe just maybe if all these sites said american bullys then the bull nuts would come to an end why is there the abkc then? its in the mist and if every one jumped on board it would be a done thing , theres a reason why alot of these dogs cant be reg with adba and aadr along with ukc , im not saying there aint blue dogs reg with and im talking about these bullys not blue dogs that fit the standards id say at least 80 % of these dogs are mixed , your right a good dog is a good dog but when your breeding a dog and saying its a pure breed dog then you realy should follow the breed standards dont you think ? and dont come out saying the apbt is a mixed breed lol

[getit]

Bullies are not APBT...when you take a purebred animal and mix in Ambulldogs,mastiffs and what ever else to get the low wide look..it is no longer an apbt..! guys that have been breeding apbt for 50+years test hard,cull hard and test hard again and again to keep the apbt what it was intended for...when you just breed for size and color and just to say wow my dog is the best because of a 26" head does not meen squat in the real world of the apbt.!! call them american bullies!

[bull man]

hey bullet im with you on the name. but there is no such thing as a pure breed when you talk about any kind of bull dog. ab abb apbt etc. if its a bull dog of any kind its a mix breed. this is not a bad thing its just the truth. what breed went into an apbt many what went into them many i can go one and on. but your right the standard set forth for the apbt is just that a standard for a look and temperament. but it is a mix breed. bullet i feel if you take 6 apbt that breed to the standard, and do a dna test on all six not any will be the same in the test so it has to be a mix breed as all bully type r. just my thoughts im not saying im right and your wrong it just what my research has show en me. but yes they r 2 different types of dog and should have 2 different names.

getit, i will not breed for a size, color, eye color, for my breed i don't care what they look like even if all white what i look for is drive, temperament as a real working dog should have we work all r dogs. for me showing a nice looking dog is fine if thats what a dog owner is into. but for me i like working bull dogs. im not sure if they fall under an ab name un less the dna shows the same blood use in ab lines. its kinda of a new breed no ?
im going through this with my breed some say they r not alapahas because we do not breed to the standard type. but i tell people that contact us go with what you like and want in a dog. we have apbt in r breed as well this adds nice to r pot of soup ;D if i have learned any thing in the dog world its no matter what you do or call your breed theres is always some type controversy thats why we all love the bully breed.
sorry got off tract a little, i think if they really want to use the name apbt it should be called a new line of the apbt, if in fact there is at least 50% or more apbt blood.
if you would like to take a look at my breed and what i do go to
www.southbaybullies.com

[orourkebloodlines]

Ah my old friend Bullet. You never cease to annoy me. You also never cease to repeat yourself and you still use bad grammer and mispelled words. I cant spell well at all but at least you can read and understand my post. I have to read your post about3 times before I can understand what your retarded ass is saying. I did not bother to respond to you last time because I would have been just be repeating my point that you still have not understood to date. So no I disagree did not get handed to me. Because a group of Dog Fighters got together and picked one of their dogs as the APBT who set the breed standard does not mean that thats a true representation of the breed and its past. The small Pits were better in the Pit and thats how they ended up being the breed standard. By that time there were already Bloodlines with bigger working dogs that served different puposes like Hunting,herding, and pertection. There has always been Variation within the breed. Yes the Game lines where the most popular and that is what they used to set the breed standard but other bloodlines with different looks and purposes have always existed with in the breed. Do your research Bullet.

[orourkebloodlines]

I thought Id remind you what my whole point on this issue was in the first place.

I suppose when compared to you bullet one could refer to me as the"Grand Puba" of this forum. When you rebut someones comment on an issue expect a response. And please stop repeating yourself. I understand what you are getting at and I responded to the points that you made. As a matter of fact I basically said the same thing in my initial comment on this issue. And by the way I don't know if you actually took the time to find out what the topic of this new thread was but its about whether or not Razors Edge should be banned from the UKC. So when you tell me I don't know what Im talking about I'm going to respond with-in that frame of context. You offered nothing new to this dialog with your response to my response. When I stated that Bully sales are up it was my intention to reveal the popularity of these dogs. In other words Bully's are here to stay whether you like it or not. And do your self a favor take a look at the price of Bully's on ten websites and then take a look at the prices for Game bred or Traditional Pit on 10 websites. Bully's are by far more expensive. So your statement that . . ."bully's sales are up shore its a new fad and you also see a lot of them being peddeled for almost nothing or in shelters etc...." is hands down false. I am not a know it all. But I will state the facts and I will state my opinions on issues. After all I believe that is the purpose of internet forums. Also you have quite a few mis-spelled words but more importantly you have horrible grammar and "lol" probably shouldn't be used in place of a period. So again I will clarify and restate my opinion on this issue that you chose to respond to . . . I know the true history of the APBT and I know that pit bulls have changed over the years into what ever we as owners and breeders want them to be. So it does not matter so much to me that they are mixed considering the history. If you want to get technical no dog is truly a purebred dog and let me remind you that at the end of the day a dog is a dog. If he is serving the purpose of the owner and breeder than mission accomplished. Rather than spending time energy and money on kicking RE out of the UKC and ADBA lets fight the true enemy which is BSL. Fighting the banning of our breed is by far more important to me than banning Bully's. So Bullet if you have a pertinent response to my main points on this issue have at it. I believe you just got you ass handed to you what say you Bullet?

[gameness is the true blood]

;Di'll tell you one thing though,AM bullies are everywhere!and i think its gonna replace the standard show pits sooner or later...anyway it's ok with me,no problem with it...i'm just nobody's fool when it comes to pits,pits can be traced down to at least 100yrs of true lineage....

am bullies for 15yrs right?thats when they started to cross it right?
anyway i'm for the American Bully name, its what D.WIL called it anyway right?

[bullet]

talk about repeating your the one reposting old post jerk off dont be mad !!!!!! every thing ive wrote is true , you dont know wht i know or who i know or wht has been told to me about these dogs , you say all i do is repeat my self no its called truth every time some thing is brought up ill say it over and over i guess it hurts , once again you should go re read your post as well hear ill show you " So no I disagree did not get handed to me." whts this ha ? o a bunch of dog fighters set the breed standard ha lol small apbts were actualy wht was around and any dogs that were of larger size were called catch dog ! and they were considered freaks and hardly breed, and by bigger i mean above the 70 lbs mark ,who are you to say wht the breed standard is and to dispute wht the old timers thought was the breed standard ? these men also choose dogs with good sociale skills and good temperment towards humans !! that was one of the key factor in the breeding program , please grand puba inform me on the larger blood line wich were already formed and used back in the day ? the old family red dogs were said to have been the biger dogs of there time but please tell me the ones you know of? please explain this one " Yes the Game lines where the most popular and that is what they used to set the breed standard but other bloodlines with different looks and purposes have always existed with in the breed" other then being breed to be people dog the # one thing they were breed for was gameness !!!! any apbt line breed for that trait any point blank!!!! i beleave the akc were not a bunch of dog fighters id say we all agree with that one ? since you made the comment about dog fighter makeing the breed standard why did the akc use a colby dog as there breed standerd for the american staff?? why not use any of these other line you talk about breed for other things ? ill tell you why cause at that time the colby dogs were the best all around breed apbts of that time, if you change some thing that has been done for a period of time and mix and match it it is no longer wht it was period !!!!! so there for these dogs are not apbt but breed down from there lines and yes thats a repeat buddy!! there not gonna replace any standars but create there own, mr repeat why would you repost a thread about another topic on this topic maybe you dont know wht this threads about lol and you didnt right back cause you didnt have nuts to right lol go come up with another 10 top blood lines and make lol a person with your smarts should be ashamed of your self to compare the lines you threw up there , your a joke grand puba your the one who needs research , after all you made that dum ass comment about game lines being breed for other things back in the day stupied f**k some one should smack your mother for haven you bull man your right there all wolfs one way or the other right but wouldnt you say after all this time and effort these old timers put into these dogs they should be given there prober credit? if thats the case why dont we breed rottis with dobbis and say there the same thing or sheaperds they all have the same color lol dobbis are said to have terrier in them pincher is the term for terrier in german gamenss they can be traced furture back then 100 yrs the colbys have been breeding them for 118 yrs alone

[guestnumeroUNO]

In my opinion YES American Bullies should be recognized as it's own breed, anyone who believes these are purebred pits is a complete fool. Not to mention as American Bullies, maybe it would help draw the negativity away from them by BSL.

[mr g bull]

hey, sorry man i do not think that will ever happen
i feel if you really want to stop all the negativity in the breed we all need to start getting cgc titles. this will help for sure. as well the negativity on this board at times is just crazy. trust me bsl Peta etc all look at message boards. it starts with us.

for me i would lock people out of the message board that have negativity in there post. im talking about f you this f you back etc. any talk of fighting any type of dog . i would only want people that do not bring the breed down by all the negativity in their post.

start with the owners the dogs will follow.

[southkakbully]

I think bully bloodlines like Razors Edge, Greyline, and Gottiline should be recognized as "American Bullies," not APBTs, because they're an APBT and AmStaff cross (which at one time were the same breed, but today they are a different breeds). All the dual registering with the AKC and UKC should stop. This is why ABKC registry was created. I think AKC and UKC should also recognized these dogs as American Bullies, not APBTs or AmStaffs with registries. XXL bloodlines like Iron Cross and Creekside shouldn't be called American Bullies, APBT, or Amstaffs, because I believe mastiff blood was mixed to increase their size. They're just overpriced mutts.

[orourkebloodlines]

Bullet the Colby's themselves had 80lb dogs on their yard way back. Speaking of way back since you are so informed on the subject you should know dogs were strictly performance bred in the past. Breed names for the most part signaified the general working or sporting purpose of a dog not the look of a dog. A little known fact is that Pit bulls got their name from the rat pits, not from being used as fighting dogs. Additionally there is still great debate as to wether the is actually any terrior blood in American Pit Bull Terriors any ways. If there isnt Terrior blood in the line than Guess what APBT's are just Bull Dogs bred to fight amongst other things. Considering that dogs were performance bred and named don't you think the Bulldog or Pit Bull type dogs that were not used for fighting might have had a different look. Catch dogs that were indeed highly valued and bred for hunting perfomance were bigger,taller and more muscular. The last issue of the APBT Gazette has an article about larger purbred catch dogs that are indeed pure bred APBT's. Gaffs UKC Grand Champion Silver Simba is an 85lb pound pure bred pit. Nevadas CH CGC Rocky is a 90lb Blue nose pure bred APBT. Take a look at any ADBA Grand Champion and compare that to any UKC Grand champion and tell me there is no significant variation. ADBA dogs are slightly taller and less muscular. They usually have longer muzzles and weigh slightly less. UKC dogs are shorter and more muscular. In my opinion UKC APBT's almost always have better angles too. When the UKC first started registring Pits the only requirment was that the dog had won 3 or more fights. Looking exactly like the breed standard was not the requirment. You as well do not know who I am or who I know. These d**n dogs have been in my family for 4 generations. I grew up in Virginia. We used our dogs for hunting and protection not fighting. Our dogs were pure bred pits that were bred to not be Dog aggressive so we could hunt with them in packs.I played football with Micheal Vick in Little league. I know the underground Dog fighting scene very well. Some Dogmen out there fight their dogs at 65lbs plus or minus not 40lbs plus or minus. And guess what those little dogs cant hang. The larger dogs in VA. were bred to be bigger and more powerfull yet they still maintained the speed agility and quickness. I've lived in Maryland, Texas, and Florida and now and Cali and Ive seen a ton of different looking APBT's bred for numerous looks and purposes. Ill say this much too My Black friends like their dogs a lil different than my Latino friends and my white friends like theirs diff too.. Italians love these dogs and they prefer the Game breds off Tom Garner. Hell the APBT museum is in Italy not America. My philapino buddies in VA. Beach VA like their pits bigger and wider but not Bully style. Each race and nationality that has taken an interest in these dogs has had thier own influence on the evolution of the breed. And I will tell you this much Truly Game bred APBT's that are performance bred look significantly different than Show dogs. Strictly Weight pull dogs tend to be larger and shorter. Agility bred dogs are taller slightly lighter on there feet. They are bred to leap and jump not stay low and hold there ground in a fight. And ya you are right Old Family Reds were bigger. All of these dogs are indeed pure bred APBT's. I admit the eventual main purpose of this breed was for fighting plain and simple. I admit the tradtional looking APBT was and still is the most popular version of this breed. And all though I stongly disagree with the sport of dog fighting I do pay my deepest respects to the dog man of the past. They had the greatest influence on the creation of this amazing breed. My personal preference is slightly larger traditonal looking APBT. As far as Bullys go I leave them be. Some are pure bred Pits that were bred to be short and wide DNA profiled and the hole shaabang. Alot of the AB's were mixed with AM-Staffs that are technically still APBT's. I will say this though there is a ton of poorly bred mixed breed AB mutts that were bred to be short, stocky and prolly Blue. There is no way to figure out which Dogs are pure and which have been mixed. If these AB lovers want to register thier dogs as American Bullys with the ABKC then let them. If an individual likes the shorter wider look and bred pure bred APBT to look like that than guess what its still a APBT. The spirit of this Breed is the most important varaible in the breeding selection process. Inteligence, Athleticisim, Drive, Gamness, and a willing ness to do whatever his master needs. And above all these dogs best trait is their unconditional love for Human beings. Dogs originaly were bred for specific jobs not looks. Sorry about the bad grammer and spelling its late and I am tired. And Bullet my mother passed away a few years back so ease off the momma jokes!

[doordiekennels]

american bullies are mixedblood trash like bannedoggs

[orourkebloodlines]

Considering there is no way to determine for sure whether or not a so called APBT or AB is a pure bred APBT how would one go about deciding which is which. I noticed a couple people mentioning that we should use DNA profiling to determine whether or not a dog is a pure bred APBT or a mutt. Let me clear that up. You cannot determine the breed of a dog with DNA profiling. You can only determine the parental Lineage of a dog with DNA profiling. So even if you wanted to ban American Bullies or make them register with the ABKC ; how would you prove them to be un-pure? Since we cannot do so should we waste any more time or energy on the matter? Or is fighting BSL a by far more important issue? All of you Game bred traditional APBT lovers and defenders answer this questions. What is more important; Fighting BSL or attempting to ban American Bullies which is next to impossible and by far less important with respect to our breeds main issues?