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Post by thunderheadpits on Feb 13, 2008 10:14:01 GMT -5
Again, I am not personally involved in shows to ANY degree... for moral reasons against competitively natured events. To ANY degree, show or performance!!!
Barbara mention that my dog would be excellent in "shows, for confirmation". If this helps you better determine your own answer.
Keep in mind, me not having any interests in this, I did not ask her for her opinion, she volunteered it!
Also keep in mind that Barbara is a certified UKC inspector, to my knowledge she is not a Judge. I could be wrong, and I do not know first hand if inspectors and Judges are the same thing. I just know she is a UKC inspector.
Hope this information helps.
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Post by Calhoun on Feb 13, 2008 11:38:57 GMT -5
Sorry if im bothering you.
So when you breed dogs you breed for?
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Post by thunderheadpits on Feb 13, 2008 19:02:39 GMT -5
What is any breeder really in it for?
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Post by 1 on Feb 13, 2008 20:11:11 GMT -5
any good breeder is in it to make the dogs better with every breeding
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Post by Calhoun on Feb 13, 2008 20:32:38 GMT -5
are you saying that you breed for $$$$?
To answer your question, i think a breeder should try to learn as much about the truth as possible before tryin to act like they are anything. I kinda understand giving or selling 1 pup to a close friend or family member. Selling as many as you can is rasing the chances of these dogs being in the wrong hands and that going to cause trouble for everyone. You should try to keep/breed the best and not breed or sale the rest. If everyone did that I think the breed would be better off.
Thunder I speak to you because i think you are about the wrong thing, i think you need to learn rather try to tell people what you think is right and what you think is wrong. I agree that you have your own right to believe what you want, but the truth is the truth and if your wrong your wrong. If you breed dogs and sell them and you talk about head size and wieght at 9 months and color, thats not what the Pitbull is about, never has been and never will be. So forgive me if i sound mad because i'm not, i'm a person who believe in the true history of the Pitbull thats it.
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Post by thunderheadpits on Feb 14, 2008 14:26:57 GMT -5
As for your comment Calhoun Guest. I didn't ask any questions, You did! Therefore you can not be answering my question(s)!
Your ability of rhyming and quoting of cool, but outdated sayings is cute! But I have to ask, are you telling me that you have the best dogs around? because other than on this message board, I have never heard of you, or your dogs! Because you're telling me that breeders should ONLY breed the best.
Let's face it, this isn't a hobby for any of us, if it were to cost any of us money in both the short & long term, none of us would be doing it!
We all may have different varying reasons for wanting to breed, but a man can be measured in part by his level of honesty, and to be honest, YES I am hoping to turn a profit at the end of each day while doing this.
For those people out there reading this that love to twist & pervert peoples words.... I did NOT say I wanted to get rich, I did NOT say I was in it ONLY for the money!
For the second part of your comment... MAN! If I had a nickel for every hot headed Pit Bull breeder that went around trying to throw his "Knowledge" around like it was a heavy weight fighting title or a doctorates degree I wouldn't need my part time job!
Yeah, yeah, yeah... I have heard it all before.... Pit Bull breeders going around claiming to know everything there is to know about the breed acting all high & mighty and trying to sound all professional all while trying to out do the next guy!
It's old & it's sickening!
More than half of these same breeders can be found with pictures of Pit Bulls plastered all over their websites that depict the animals as if they are about to fight, are being pulled away from fighting and/or are being teased as if to get them to fight!
So what good does it serve for someone to have acquired ALL the knowledge that exists about the breed if that same someone does not even have the common sense to put it to good use???
That person might as well be ignorant.
Regarding your concerns about puppies ending up in the wrong hands.... Not that knowledge about the breed isn't good, but how can knowledge about the breed help me to better screen the humans buying them?
Rather I am the World Champion Guru on Pit Bull History or I am just a fond admirer of the breed, I can better serve them by becoming a better judge of character of the people buying them... so as to assure they DON"T end up in the wrongs hands!
As for Guest 1's comment.....
I thought that is what I was doing... working my way up to better dogs by selling ones off that I have and getting better ones. Earlier you were bad mouthing me for this, (trying to sell Cheese) now your saying it's what good breeders do?
Can anybody keep their opinions straight around here?
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Post by Calhoun on Feb 14, 2008 19:19:05 GMT -5
As for your comment Calhoun Guest. I didn't ask any questions, You did! Therefore you can not be answering my question(s)
You are correct so can you answer the question?
Your ability of rhyming and quoting of cool, but outdated sayings is cute!
What does this mean?
Let's face it, this isn't a hobby for any of us, if it were to cost any of us money in both the short & long term, none of us would be doing it!
your wrong I have been at it for a long time since 79, i've made round $1,000 on puppy sells. Now i dont want to fight but i do want to show you that your wrong..... again.
More than half of these same breeders can be found with pictures of Pit Bulls plastered all over their websites that depict the animals as if they are about to fight, are being pulled away from fighting and/or are being teased as if to get them to fight!
So what are you saying and please show us this website that you talk about.
So what good does it serve for someone to have acquired ALL the knowledge that exists about the breed if that same someone does not even have the common sense to put it to good use??? Who are you talking about. Do you know of a breeder thats doing this?
Regarding your concerns about puppies ending up in the wrong hands.... Not that knowledge about the breed isn't good, but how can knowledge about the breed help me to better screen the humans buying them?
I'll find a kennel that doing it right. But for you , I would find family and freinds. Or you might want to keep a few pups and take them to show and show other breeders what you have produced. Weather its for show or pull.
Rather I am the World Champion Guru on Pit Bull History or I am just a fond admirer of the breed, I can better serve them by becoming a better judge of character of the people buying them... so as to assure they DON"T end up in the wrongs hands!
To me...... this is a bad approach, you are just trying to make sure that you can sell the pups. The most improtant thing to think about..... is are the dogs healthy and are they of solid mind, not who's buying them......who cares!!! are the dogs healthy and of solid mind!!!!!!!!!!! you cant figure this out at 7 wks.....it takes a lil longer.
But I have to ask, are you telling me that you have the best dogs around? because other than on this message board, I have never heard of you, or your dogs
No, i dont have the best dogs around but they are pretty good. If you were to go to shows and or weight pulls you would probley know me. As well, i dont have a website to sell puppy, never have and never will. I have enough family and friends wanting these dogs so i dont need a website. I wish i could post photos b/c i would have put a few of my dogs photos up a while ago.
ill ask you one more time.....what do you breed for?
thanks for all your time..... i dont want to fight but discuss.
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Post by red neck bulldog on Feb 14, 2008 20:16:07 GMT -5
man all this talk is crap ;D all i see here is to egos clashing.. some like to show them,pull them or fight them.. to each of his own, crappy thread this had become..
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Post by thunderheadpits on Feb 14, 2008 21:56:03 GMT -5
OK, so you was there when Noah loaded the first Pit Bull pair onto the Ark, and you even trained Nimrod's first pair of Hunting Pit Bull's....
All I am seeing from you is an attitude of always wanting to tell other people they're wrong and how much you're right.
As for the website "(s)" I am talking about.. It's not just one website, I have seen dozens throughout my endless hours and late nights searching the internet for other pit bull breeders.
There's a lot of them out there that do this, you just have to look!
As I mentioned earlier I am not interested in participating in shows. And I am definitely not interested in going to them.
The last thing I want to do is end up around a bunch of testosterone deprived idiots running around cussing and using fowl language while smoking and drinking and who knows what else.
I just don't care to associate myself with those types of people or groups. Therefore I will just stay away... they can do their thing, and I will do mine.
And before you say I am wrong about that too, Let me tell you I"M NOT!
As for my pups and who I sell them to. First off that's my business and not yours.
Secondly, I am three steps ahead of you. If my pup is not healthy I don't sell it, I don't care how respectable the potential buyer seems to be. That part just goes without saying, which Is why I didn't include it.
You say "who cares" who I sell dogs to? I DO
That's part of being a responsible breeder. People come at me to buy a dog, I first screen them over the phone, before I ever even consider allowing them to my house.
Next, I sit down and talk to them and ask them different questions before I decide to even let them see the dogs or puppies!
I Care who i sell dogs to I am sorry you do not!
And before you say I am wrong and that you did not say that here is a direct quote of your words.........
To me...... this is a bad approach, you are just trying to make sure that you can sell the pups. The most important thing to think about..... is are the dogs healthy and are they of solid mind, not who's buying them......who cares!!!
That friend is a very wrong attitude about selling dogs. YOU happen to be the one that is wrong in this case!
Now your contradicting yourself!!! This is getting amusing!
You tell me that I need to sell to just friends and family because my dogs are not the best stuff out there and because I don't breed to show.
But before that you told me that I should only breed the best and not for anything else.
Now you're telling me that You have plenty of friends and family waiting for your dogs so you can sell to them and that you don't need a website... never will because you got so many friends waiting for you to produce puppies.
DO YOU REALIZE WHAT YOU JUST SAID?
As for me, I will keep selling dogs on my website because I have non related customers driving from as far as four states away to buy my dogs!
And I have never had to sell a dog to a friend or family in order to sell off any puppy. In fact I have even sold dogs to other breeders!
As for why I breed dogs. I already answered this question. But rather I show or not, my customers can certainly make the decision to show the dogs they buy from me.
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Post by orourkebloodlines on Feb 14, 2008 22:35:34 GMT -5
Thunderhead you might be the most contradicting person on this message board. You got your ass handed to you on the Tri-Color debate due to your persistent display of ignorance of this breed. I had to dig up historical information on Archives to prove you wrong. Instead of being honest and admitting you were indeed wrong you attempted to change your argument as if what you had stated earlier was not still posted. I let you slide on that one in the spirit of truth. You did not even know what Curr meant. That’s the oldest term in the book. Don’t you find it strange that you are in constant conflict and debate with numerous individuals on this forum? You are decent with your words and in debate but in the end your ignorance always shines through. Just admit it you're primary purpose for breeding is to make a buck. That’s all fine and dandy but making money should not be on the top of the list. First and foremost these dogs are living and breathing animals with needs and emotions. They are souls with-out a voice if you will. It is you responsibility to take the absolute best care of these dogs. They are our companions first. Second there are way to many APBT's in shelters and bad homes for just anyone to be breeding them We have no need for puppy peddlers Unless you are breeding for show or performance then do not breed please. If you breed occasionally for personal selection and friends and family than that’s ok in my book. But you should not be breeding. Certainly not until you have a better understanding of the breed and its true history. Yes as of now legally you have the right to breed whatever and however you want. But if people like you who misunderstand the breed continue to breed we will all one day lose our right to own and breed these amazing dogs. You have no idea what a dog show is like if you think its a bunch low class people or testosterone deprived idiots running around cussing and using fowl language while smoking and drinking. Man you are one loud mouthed ignorant individual. You have your opinions and your rights as do I. Its is with those rights to opinion I say that you do not deserve to own a single one of these amazing dogs. You most definitely should not be breeding APBT's. Lastly you should shut your mouth and stop arguing about things that you are truly ignorant too. Lets me count the AMENS!
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Post by Calhoun on Feb 15, 2008 5:35:50 GMT -5
You said it well. I just like talking to him, if you let him go he'll keep on showing his ignorant ways over and over.
Thunder, you have to make it shows ADBA shows. They aren't nothing like you are saying. Everyone is willing to talk with anyone,people walking up to your truck talking dogs.....it's a great time.
You tell me that I need to sell to just friends and family because my dogs are not the best stuff out there and because I don't breed to show.
This is the wrong thing to say. I don't remember saying this.
As for why I breed dogs. I already answered this question. But rather I show or not, my customers can certainly make the decision to show the dogs they buy from me.
Do you have a photo of a dog that you have produced that is in shows...or not.
And I have never had to sell a dog to a friend or family in order to sell off any puppy. In fact I have even sold dogs to other breeders!
what breeder bought a dog off you?
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Post by doordiekennels on Feb 16, 2008 0:40:29 GMT -5
No, I don't have any show dogs or dogs involved in shows. I was told by Barbara from Ohio, (the UKC inspector) that I should show my female rather than breed her. but I have not done so. There was a guy form Ohio that wanted to Co-Own one of my dogs and train it for weight pull shows... He offered to do all of the work, but I have since lost contact with him. As for the accidental dog fights, every breeder regardless of how responsible he or she may be, will at some point experience unwanted dog fights.... I understand that greatly! Any breeder that claims otherwise just does not know dogs! they sometimes fight and it can not always be prevented! Don't feel bad about it! yard incedents are goin to happen no matter how responsible you are, its just a part of owning the breed we love. however at the same time all measures should be taken to prevent them..... it is a part of our world. i believe that every responsible apbt owner should have a parting tool, unless local laws prohibit.
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Post by ww on Feb 25, 2008 1:29:28 GMT -5
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Post by ww on Feb 25, 2008 2:34:38 GMT -5
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Post by Calhoun on Mar 3, 2008 19:51:18 GMT -5
so im new to this site but been in the buisness for almost 14 years. and im just curious what you guys consider real pitbulls? i raise gotty greyline edge chinaman and colby dogs. im a reconized breeder with the ukc,adba,apbr and have many titles. but i was just curious and though itd be fun to see what kinda dogs you guys consider real pits this should be fun! and while your at it for the few of you that talk all this game dog stuff what do you think is the best game bred dogs? i have 100% chinaman bloodline dogs in my kennel so i no what a game bred dogg is but just want some of your opinions What other bloodlines dog you know of besides the Garner stuff? Have you heard of Jeep or Redboy? Those 2 alone or together make very good bloodlines.
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